Comments on: Communication Abuse and Deaf People http://www.ascdeaf.com/blog/?p=318 Wed, 01 Sep 2010 06:14:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: DeafSweetMind http://www.ascdeaf.com/blog/?p=318&cpage=1#comment-119189 DeafSweetMind Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:31:02 +0000 http://www.ascdeaf.com/blog/?p=318#comment-119189 Oh yes that is definitely a Child abuse. It should not leave any children behind the Education especially Deaf babies/children 's right to have ASL. SO BE IT! That is tough luck on these professionals who doesnt want to face the consequence of these truths of having a real abuse in our ASL education all along. NO more BS with AGB s rules that is a big liar for so many years.This should NOT be hurting many millions of Deaf people from the past and today at all. PERIOD! It s the truth hazard evidence to keep it up with their child abuses toward Deaf kid's ASL Education. First ASL is a must for our Deaf children's abilities to gain more intellectual skills that can helps us learn and understand the concept of language first. It s eventually will follow up to learn how to speak or lip-reading in speech therapy if it works out for a deaf child. It s not necessary to have or force deaf children to deal with ASL and oral speaking at the same time that will not work out well. It should be ASL or orally speaking in English written as our choices to make. No one should force Deaf babies/children to speak alone that damaged many millions of Deaf people s lives already because there are still having the barrier of communication. Sighs! I agreed with Harleygirl248 and some others' s comment. Thank you ! :) Oh yes that is definitely a Child abuse. It should not leave any children behind the Education especially Deaf babies/children ‘s right to have ASL. SO BE IT! That is tough luck on these professionals who doesnt want to face the consequence of these truths of having a real abuse in our ASL education all along. NO more BS with AGB s rules that is a big liar for so many years.This should NOT be hurting many millions of Deaf people from the past and today at all. PERIOD! It s the truth hazard evidence to keep it up with their child abuses toward Deaf kid’s ASL Education.

First ASL is a must for our Deaf children’s abilities to gain more intellectual skills that can helps us learn and understand the concept of language first. It s eventually will follow up to learn how to speak or lip-reading in speech therapy if it works out for a deaf child. It s not necessary to have or force deaf children to deal with ASL and oral speaking at the same time that will not work out well. It should be ASL or orally speaking in English written as our choices to make. No one should force Deaf babies/children to speak alone that damaged many millions of Deaf people s lives already because there are still having the barrier of communication. Sighs!

I agreed with Harleygirl248 and some others’ s comment.

Thank you ! :)

]]> By: harleygirl248 http://www.ascdeaf.com/blog/?p=318&cpage=1#comment-115727 harleygirl248 Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:39:24 +0000 http://www.ascdeaf.com/blog/?p=318#comment-115727 Sharon Wow, excellent point on child abuse. I am glad you bought up that issue on deaf child abuse be either at home or schools by not providing the communicatation access to this child or "forced" oral to communicate where child may not be able to grasp in lipreading. I consider it abuse. Its very sad. I came from large hearing family. I have no connection with them when I became adult living my own life because they refused to call me through video phone relay or very rarely a email. I hope you bring that research up and educate hearing people about deaf child abuse that are the most overlooked subject because we do not want to talk about it and why? Sharon

Wow, excellent point on child abuse. I am glad you bought up that issue on deaf child abuse be either at home or schools by not providing the communicatation access to this child or “forced” oral to communicate where child may not be able to grasp in lipreading. I consider it abuse.

Its very sad. I came from large hearing family. I have no connection with them when I became adult living my own life because they refused to call me through video phone relay or very rarely a email.

I hope you bring that research up and educate hearing people about deaf child abuse that are the most overlooked subject because we do not want to talk about it and why?

]]> By: Betty Colonomos http://www.ascdeaf.com/blog/?p=318&cpage=1#comment-103834 Betty Colonomos Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:59:07 +0000 http://www.ascdeaf.com/blog/?p=318#comment-103834 After re-watching your vlog and all the comments, I felt the need to add another point. I believe that when hearing children are denied access, the outrage is because people realize what is lost. This is because the expectation for success is high and lack of access limits the human potential that is there from birth. Unfortunately one explanation for some/much of this behavior towards Deaf children is that they are seen as broken; the expectations are lower and lack of access is the fault of the "disease/handicap", not society. In other words if your ears don't work, the you miss a lot of things, instead of there are some modes of access that are better for certain groups of people. Deaf people want is their fair share of what they CAN have access to, instead of limiting access. There is no evidence that making the world more accessible to Deaf people takes anything away from hearing people. Actually developing more visual and spatial skills would help a lot! After re-watching your vlog and all the comments, I felt the need to add another point. I believe that when hearing children are denied access, the outrage is because people realize what is lost. This is because the expectation for success is high and lack of access limits the human potential that is there from birth. Unfortunately one explanation for some/much of this behavior towards Deaf children is that they are seen as broken; the expectations are lower and lack of access is the fault of the “disease/handicap”, not society. In other words if your ears don’t work, the you miss a lot of things, instead of there are some modes of access that are better for certain groups of people. Deaf people want is their fair share of what they CAN have access to, instead of limiting access. There is no evidence that making the world more accessible to Deaf people takes anything away from hearing people. Actually developing more visual and spatial skills would help a lot!

]]> By: L http://www.ascdeaf.com/blog/?p=318&cpage=1#comment-103662 L Wed, 03 Sep 2008 00:42:16 +0000 http://www.ascdeaf.com/blog/?p=318#comment-103662 There actually is some literature referring to communication abuse/neglect. I have an old limited Gallaudet publication that includes an article mentioning this issue. I have also read about communication neglect (categorized as both "intentional" and "unintentional") in literature about elder abuse. (Let me know if you'd like me to pin down more exact references for you.) If you published on this, I think it would be a VERY important contribution to the literature. If you are able to focus on the impact it has on the deaf child/person and examples of what helps recovery, I think that would be most powerful, personally. Also, I think the same actions experienced by two deaf people can have different effects, and that would be interesting (but maybe too complicated) to look at. There actually is some literature referring to communication abuse/neglect. I have an old limited Gallaudet publication that includes an article mentioning this issue. I have also read about communication neglect (categorized as both “intentional” and “unintentional”) in literature about elder abuse. (Let me know if you’d like me to pin down more exact references for you.) If you published on this, I think it would be a VERY important contribution to the literature. If you are able to focus on the impact it has on the deaf child/person and examples of what helps recovery, I think that would be most powerful, personally. Also, I think the same actions experienced by two deaf people can have different effects, and that would be interesting (but maybe too complicated) to look at.

]]> By: Lauren http://www.ascdeaf.com/blog/?p=318&cpage=1#comment-81639 Lauren Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:22:12 +0000 http://www.ascdeaf.com/blog/?p=318#comment-81639 I'm deaf and I was brought up in public schools where I learned crucial communication skills. I'm not sorry one bit at all. I later learned sign language and got involved in the deaf community. I'm not trying to offend anyone, I just want deaf people to open up their minds a little bit. Think about this: If you had a cochlear implant, you are given the choice to hear whereas if you don't have one, then you have no choice. Why let this oppourtunity pass? It's only to benefit your lives, its not an attack on deaf culture at all. Children can grow up and learn to speak and read lips if they want to, they dont HAVE to. There are so many benefits to having a cochlear implant growing up. Look at the grammar problems as they struggle through english. Look at the statistics and the percentages of deaf people who do not even go to college. Look at how many are recieving social security and wasting their lives away. I dont know, but there has to be a change in the education systems in deaf institutes. There has to be options for children who want to learn to speak who want to learn to succeed. Any one agree? I know there are hundreds of very smart deaf people who have succeeded but why not allow more? why not set a good example? I’m deaf and I was brought up in public schools where I learned crucial communication skills. I’m not sorry one bit at all. I later learned sign language and got involved in the deaf community. I’m not trying to offend anyone, I just want deaf people to open up their minds a little bit. Think about this: If you had a cochlear implant, you are given the choice to hear whereas if you don’t have one, then you have no choice. Why let this oppourtunity pass? It’s only to benefit your lives, its not an attack on deaf culture at all. Children can grow up and learn to speak and read lips if they want to, they dont HAVE to. There are so many benefits to having a cochlear implant growing up. Look at the grammar problems as they struggle through english. Look at the statistics and the percentages of deaf people who do not even go to college. Look at how many are recieving social security and wasting their lives away. I dont know, but there has to be a change in the education systems in deaf institutes. There has to be options for children who want to learn to speak who want to learn to succeed. Any one agree? I know there are hundreds of very smart deaf people who have succeeded but why not allow more? why not set a good example?

]]> By: Britney http://www.ascdeaf.com/blog/?p=318&cpage=1#comment-79591 Britney Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:11:37 +0000 http://www.ascdeaf.com/blog/?p=318#comment-79591 I am not deaf but am taking an ASL class right now because I would love to communicate with deaf people and learn more about your culture. I didn't understand what was said in the clip because I don't understand too much yet so I wish there were subtitles. I got a little bit of the jist of it from the comments below and think it was about Cochlear implants/speaking and sign language. I think it’s great that you guys are bringing this issue up because it is a very important and contraversial issue but what do you think if a child wants to have a CI to be able to communicate with the hearing world and their hearing friends but will also stay closely apart of the deaf culture and use sign language as well as learn how to speak, which would no doubt bring the deaf world and hearing world closer? I am not deaf but am taking an ASL class right now because I would love to communicate with deaf people and learn more about your culture. I didn’t understand what was said in the clip because I don’t understand too much yet so I wish there were subtitles. I got a little bit of the jist of it from the comments below and think it was about Cochlear implants/speaking and sign language. I think it’s great that you guys are bringing this issue up because it is a very important and contraversial issue but what do you think if a child wants to have a CI to be able to communicate with the hearing world and their hearing friends but will also stay closely apart of the deaf culture and use sign language as well as learn how to speak, which would no doubt bring the deaf world and hearing world closer?

]]> By: pawan birla http://www.ascdeaf.com/blog/?p=318&cpage=1#comment-78979 pawan birla Sat, 05 Apr 2008 07:14:41 +0000 http://www.ascdeaf.com/blog/?p=318#comment-78979 Dear deaf Can I ask you somethings- Why The Parent wont let Kids (any Ages) do not Use the Comptuer Cause-They was india of Missing or Run away or Dirty things on comptuer you know what Iam talk about it, Never Know How Their Parent Feel for Their Childs? When The Childs cant stand who is Parent keep say No to Childs so The Childs cant stand when The Parent keep Say NO Everythings Might The Child Run away It reason also Whoever Child become Deaf so They (parent) wanna Keep Childs and Keep Safe their own Childs make sure The Child grow up . Sound Like that I agree with you,The Parent Should have Let Childs Need to Learn how talk and sign langs and another Things The Childs Learn lots more then Parent.The Parent dont understand what kinda of Deaf when The baby come out in the worlds (it was Long time ago ) also But It time been lots of Change Parent just start learn and Move their Feet up and Learn how deaf’s Way and whoever deaf can do anythings by itself. I know Parent wanna make sure If Whoever deaf can do or not so Need to back off on Any one deaf can do it . Wish that parent Being Proud of Whoever Childs deaf can do it anythings what He/she need anythings . I think it that all Hope so Hear from you and Keep Touch with me it more welcome See you around Dear deaf
Can I ask you somethings- Why The Parent wont let Kids (any Ages) do not Use the Comptuer Cause-They was india of Missing or Run away or Dirty things on comptuer you know what Iam talk about it, Never Know How Their Parent Feel for Their Childs? When The Childs cant stand who is Parent keep say No to Childs so The Childs cant stand when The Parent keep Say NO Everythings Might The Child Run away It reason also Whoever Child become Deaf so They (parent) wanna Keep Childs and Keep Safe their own Childs make sure The Child grow up . Sound Like that I agree with you,The Parent Should have Let Childs Need to Learn how talk and sign langs and another Things The Childs Learn lots more then Parent.The Parent dont understand what kinda of Deaf when The baby come out in the worlds (it was Long time ago ) also But It time been lots of Change Parent just start learn and Move their Feet up and Learn how deaf’s Way and whoever deaf can do anythings by itself. I know Parent wanna make sure If Whoever deaf can do or not so Need to back off on Any one deaf can do it . Wish that parent Being Proud of Whoever Childs deaf can do it anythings what He/she need anythings .

I think it that all
Hope so Hear from you and Keep Touch with me it more welcome
See you around

]]> By: pawan birla http://www.ascdeaf.com/blog/?p=318&cpage=1#comment-78978 pawan birla Sat, 05 Apr 2008 07:13:35 +0000 http://www.ascdeaf.com/blog/?p=318#comment-78978 Dear deaf Can I ask you somethings- Why The Parent wont let Kids (any Ages) do not Use the Comptuer Cause-They was Afrida of Missing or Run away or Dirty things on comptuer you know what Iam talk about it, Never Know How Their Parent Feel for Their Childs? When The Childs cant stand who is Parent keep say No to Childs so The Childs cant stand when The Parent keep Say NO Everythings Might The Child Run away It reason also Whoever Child become Deaf so They (parent) wanna Keep Childs and Keep Safe their own Childs make sure The Child grow up . Sound Like that I agree with you,The Parent Should have Let Childs Need to Learn how talk and sign langs and another Things The Childs Learn lots more then Parent.The Parent dont understand what kinda of Deaf when The baby come out in the worlds (it was Long time ago ) also But It time been lots of Change Parent just start learn and Move their Feet up and Learn how deaf’s Way and whoever deaf can do anythings by itself. I know Parent wanna make sure If Whoever deaf can do or not so Need to back off on Any one deaf can do it . Wish that parent Being Proud of Whoever Childs deaf can do it anythings what He/she need anythings . I think it that all Hope so Hear from you and Keep Touch with me it more welcome See you around Dear deaf
Can I ask you somethings- Why The Parent wont let Kids (any Ages) do not Use the Comptuer Cause-They was Afrida of Missing or Run away or Dirty things on comptuer you know what Iam talk about it, Never Know How Their Parent Feel for Their Childs? When The Childs cant stand who is Parent keep say No to Childs so The Childs cant stand when The Parent keep Say NO Everythings Might The Child Run away It reason also Whoever Child become Deaf so They (parent) wanna Keep Childs and Keep Safe their own Childs make sure The Child grow up . Sound Like that I agree with you,The Parent Should have Let Childs Need to Learn how talk and sign langs and another Things The Childs Learn lots more then Parent.The Parent dont understand what kinda of Deaf when The baby come out in the worlds (it was Long time ago ) also But It time been lots of Change Parent just start learn and Move their Feet up and Learn how deaf’s Way and whoever deaf can do anythings by itself. I know Parent wanna make sure If Whoever deaf can do or not so Need to back off on Any one deaf can do it . Wish that parent Being Proud of Whoever Childs deaf can do it anythings what He/she need anythings .

I think it that all
Hope so Hear from you and Keep Touch with me it more welcome
See you around

]]> By: pawan birla http://www.ascdeaf.com/blog/?p=318&cpage=1#comment-78975 pawan birla Sat, 05 Apr 2008 07:07:04 +0000 http://www.ascdeaf.com/blog/?p=318#comment-78975 HI DEAF SAME JOY. You made a wonderful point about child abuse. We had been through this just same as you. I understand you. It is good that you take a stand and speak up what you had observed about the situation. It is so sad to see that there is actually taboo for Deaf people who take a stand and speak up about CI and Oralism. They constantly get attacked from these narrow-minded people who demand us to shut up and to accept CI and ORALISM no matter how bad they are. So sad to see that… It is good thing that they are not scaring us at all. It is worth to fight for because Being Deaf is the most beautiful and they do not need to be cured. I wonder if it is because some people aren’t comfortable enough to speak out because what they had seen in Deaf community where a small group of narrow-mind people keeping calling us Deaf militant/attackers. WE WILL NOT COMPROMISE… :o) We love Deaf babies too much. These hearing parents don’t know what to do so we need to step in and work with them. They get wrong and misleading information about Deaf community, and Deaf children, and its word, “Deaf.” They got advices from ignorant doctors and audiologists who never took Deaf/ASL studies or anything with Deaf-related. Deaf children are ours. If a child falls down on the ground and begins to cry, I am not going to say, “Well this child is not my responsibility since she/he is not my child.” I would pick her/him up and comfort her/him like she/he is my child. I find it irony that some people make comments saying that you made a good point but they called us Deaf Militant/ attackers because we speak out and discuss our views on CI and ORALISM as a child abuse. I find it very interesting. I wonder why. PAWAN BIRLA AT AHMEDABAD (INDIA) HI DEAF SAME JOY.

You made a wonderful point about child abuse. We had been through this just same as you. I understand you. It is good that you take a stand and speak up what you had observed about the situation.

It is so sad to see that there is actually taboo for Deaf people who take a stand and speak up about CI and Oralism. They constantly get attacked from these narrow-minded people who demand us to shut up and to accept CI and ORALISM no matter how bad they are. So sad to see that… It is good thing that they are not scaring us at all. It is worth to fight for because Being Deaf is the most beautiful and they do not need to be cured.

I wonder if it is because some people aren’t comfortable enough to speak out because what they had seen in Deaf community where a small group of narrow-mind people keeping calling us Deaf militant/attackers.

WE WILL NOT COMPROMISE… :o ) We love Deaf babies too much. These hearing parents don’t know what to do so we need to step in and work with them. They get wrong and misleading information about Deaf community, and Deaf children, and its word, “Deaf.” They got advices from ignorant doctors and audiologists who never took Deaf/ASL studies or anything with Deaf-related.

Deaf children are ours. If a child falls down on the ground and begins to cry, I am not going to say, “Well this child is not my responsibility since she/he is not my child.” I would pick her/him up and comfort her/him like she/he is my child.

I find it irony that some people make comments saying that you made a good point but they called us Deaf Militant/ attackers because we speak out and discuss our views on CI and ORALISM as a child abuse. I find it very interesting. I wonder why.

PAWAN BIRLA AT AHMEDABAD (INDIA)

]]> By: Jean Boutcher http://www.ascdeaf.com/blog/?p=318&cpage=1#comment-37749 Jean Boutcher Sun, 23 Sep 2007 00:12:37 +0000 http://www.ascdeaf.com/blog/?p=318#comment-37749 It is interesting to note that whilst hearing Americans do not bother to learn ASL to teach computer to deaf children, Bill Gates and William Buffet are deeply concerned about children being technologically neglected in underprivileged and poor countries (India, Sri Lanka, and Africa). Therefore, I feel that C.A.I.D. should deny a teaching certificate to hearing teachers who do not learn ASL to teach deaf children. Hearing Americans cannot do anything with deaf children because they cannot sign It is interesting to note that whilst hearing Americans do not bother to learn ASL to teach computer to deaf children, Bill Gates and William Buffet are deeply concerned about children being technologically neglected in underprivileged and poor countries (India, Sri Lanka, and Africa). Therefore, I feel that C.A.I.D.
should deny a teaching certificate to hearing teachers who do not learn ASL to teach deaf children.

Hearing Americans cannot do anything with deaf children
because they cannot sign

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